Most Asked Questions
The Daily Stop Loss is a safeguard that limits the maximum amount your account can lose in a single day. It is determined based on your previous day's account balance, which is reset at 5 PM EST. Unlike some other proprietary trading firms, we don't use the previous day's equity for this calculation. Instead, we use the account balance model, which allows you to grow your profits without the risk of losing your entire account.
Here's an example to illustrate how it works: Let's say your account's end-of-day balance (at 5 PM EST) was $100,000. If, at any point during the current day, your equity drops to $95,000, your account will violate the daily stop loss limit.
Even if your floating equity (unrealized gains or losses) is positive, for example, +$5,000 on your $100,000 account, your new-day's (at 5 PM EST) maximum loss limit will still be based on your balance from the previous day, which is $95,000. This ensures that you have a clear limit on potential losses for each trading day.
The Maximum Trailing Drawdown is initially set at 6%, and it follows your account's CLOSED BALANCE (not equity) until you achieve a 6% return on your account. Once you reach that 6% return, the Maximum Trailing Drawdown stops trailing and remains fixed at your starting balance. This system offers more trading flexibility since it acknowledges you as a profitable trader, allowing you to freely compound your account.
Let's use an example to illustrate this: If your starting balance is $100,000, you can experience a drawdown of up to $6,000 (6% of $100,000) before violating the Maximum Trailing Drawdown rule. Now, let's say you trade and your account's CLOSED BALANCE increases to $102,000, making it the new high-water mark. This means your new Maximum Trailing Drawdown would be $95,880 (6% of $102,000).
Continuing with the example, if your CLOSED BALANCE then reaches $106,000, setting another high-water mark, the Maximum Trailing Drawdown would be locked in at your starting balance of $100,000. Consequently, no matter how high your account goes, you would only breach this rule if your CLOSED BALANCE goes back down to $100,000. However, it's important to note that you can still violate the daily drawdown rule, which is separate from the Maximum Trailing Drawdown.
In summary, as long as you maintain your account equity above $100,000 and keep daily drawdowns within the 5% limit, you won't violate the Maximum Trailing Drawdown rule.
Through the support of investors, we have the means to financially back skilled traders by providing them with live trading accounts. As a trader funded by our firm, you have the opportunity to showcase your trading prowess and achieve success while benefiting from the financial backing we offer. This means that you will be actively trading real accounts, and any profits you make will contribute to your achievements as well as the firm's overall success.
You are allowed to hedge positions on both sides as long as you trade within the approved 1:10 leverage and lot size, which can be found in your dashboard upon purchase. Hedging means opening positions in opposite directions to mitigate risk.
For example, let's say you have a $100,000 trading account and are trading the EUR/USD currency pair, which has a current price of 1.11000 (please ensure to use the asset price at the time of your calculation). With the maximum allowed leverage, you can take a position size of up to $1,000,000 / 1.11000 (EUR/USD price) = $900,900 / $100,000 (size of a standard lot) = 9.009 lots, which can be rounded to 9.00 lots.
This means if you enter a BUY order for EUR/USD with 9 lots, you can only hedge that position with a SELL order for up to 1 lot since the maximum lot size allowed is 10 lots.
However, if the market moves in your favor, and you adjust your Stop Loss to breakeven (locking in a profit on the overall position), you will then have the freedom to enter a SELL order for up to 10 lots on EUR/USD. This is because moving the Stop Loss to breakeven frees up some of your lots, allowing you to utilize the full permitted lot size for hedging.
It's important to note that hedging can help reduce the required margin, but this is separate from the Maximum Lot Size with Risk criterion. Additionally, moving the Stop Loss to breakeven enables more lots to be used for hedging, but it doesn't provide additional margin for trading. Margin and Lot Size with Risk are two independent criteria that must be met separately.
EA's, Copy Traders, Scripts, and Indicators are all allowed.
You can trade with confidence knowing that we have a transparent approach with no hidden rules, unlike other proprietary trading firms. All the evaluation and funded account criteria can be found on this page, so please take the time to read and understand each rule thoroughly. Our goal is to prioritize your success, and one way we achieve this is by welcoming traders who comprehend our operational guidelines.
There are only three ways an account can be breached and result in losing it. These are as follows:
Drawdown Rule: This rule relates to the maximum allowed loss in your account before it gets breached.
Daily Loss Rule: This rule sets a limit on the maximum amount you can lose in a single trading day.
Inactivity of 30 Days: If you don't place a trade at least once every 30 days on your account, it will be considered inactive, leading to a breach of the account.
By understanding and adhering to these three rules, you can confidently trade and focus on your success with us at Eightcap/The Whale Order.
There are 3 ways to lose an account: Daily Stop Rule, the Trailing Drawdown Rule, or after an inactivity period (not opening or closing a trade) of 30 days.
You are allowed to undertake one evaluation at a time. Currently, our "limits" framework operates as follows:
The maximum funding allocation for an individual trader is $2 million. This amount can be achieved through multiple assessments, but each assessment must have a different size and not be active simultaneously.
The maximum funding allocation for a particular trading strategy or EA (Expert Advisor) is also $2 million. This can be achieved through multiple assessments, as long as each assessment uses a distinct size and is not active concurrently.
Please note that these limits specifically apply to "off-the-shelf" EA's, which are pre-built trading algorithms available in the market and used by multiple traders. We prioritize funding independent and unique strategies, not those that are identical and widely used.
There are no restrictions on the number of accounts you can have, as long as the total funding allocation across all your accounts remains within the $2 million limit. Additionally, there are no limitations on compounding. You can start with up to $2 million in initial funding, and then grow your account to any desired balance, be it $10 million, $20 million, or beyond.
We are committed to supporting traders with diverse strategies and enabling them to achieve significant growth in their accounts without arbitrary constraints.
In our terms and conditions, you will find a detailed explanation of these rules (accessible upon purchasing your evaluation). If we discover that your trading practices involve Malicious Practices, your participation in the program will be terminated, and you may lose any fees paid to The Whale Order LLC. Before granting a funded account, both The Whale Order LLC and the Broker will review the trader's trading activity under these Terms and Conditions to assess whether it constitutes Malicious Practices. If such practices are detected, the trader will not receive a funded account.
To put it simply, engaging in activities that take advantage of arbitrage pricing or latency is strictly prohibited. This includes practices like exploiting pricing or platform errors or using non-public and/or insider information. Front-running trades placed elsewhere, trading in a manner that jeopardizes the relationship with the broker, creates regulatory issues, or using certain third-party strategies, including off-the-shelf strategies marketed to pass assessments, is also considered Malicious Practices.
We take these actions to safeguard The Whale Order's business model and uphold our core philosophy of providing serious funding to serious traders. We are committed to maintaining the integrity of our platform and services. If anyone is found to be using malicious EA's or strategies aimed at passing evaluations (affecting a small percentage of our customers), they will be deemed to be engaging in Malicious Practices and may receive a partial refund of their initial payment. Furthermore, they will be permanently barred from using The Whale Order or any of its services in the future.
Trading rules
Soft breach means that we will close all trades that have violated the rule. However, you can continue trading in
your Assessment or Funded account.
● Hard breach means that you violated either the Daily Loss Limit or Max Trailing Drawdown rule. Both rules
constitute a hard breach. In the event you have a hard breach, you will fail the Assessment or have your Funded
account taken away.
The Daily Stop Loss is the maximum your account can lose in any given day. Daily Stop Loss is calculated using the
previous day balance which resets at 5 PM EST. Unlike other prop firms, we do NOT base our calculations on previous
day equity since the balance only model allows you to scale profits without fear of losing your account. The Daily Stop
compounds with the increase in your account.
Example: if your prior day's end of day balance (5pm EST) was $100,000, your account would violate the daily stop loss
limit if your equity reached $95,000 during the day. If your floating equity is +$5,000 on a $100,000 account, your newday (5pm EST) max loss is based on your balance from the previous day ($100,000). So, your daily loss limit would still be
$95,000.
The Maximum Trailing Drawdown is initially set at 6% and trails (using CLOSED BALANCE - NOT equity!) your account
until you have achieved a 6% return in your account. Once you have achieved a 6% return the Maximum Trailing
Drawdown no longer trails and is permanently locked in at your starting balance. This allows for more trading flexibility
as you have proven yourself as a profitable trader and can now freely compound an account.
Example: If your starting balance is $100,000, you can drawdown to $94,000 before you would violate the Maximum
Trailing Drawdown rule. Then for example let's say you take your account to $102,000 in CLOSED BALANCE. This is your
new high-water mark, which would mean your new Maximum Trailing Drawdown would be $96,000. Next, let's say you
take your account to $106,000 in CLOSED BALANCE, which would be your new high-water mark. At this point your
Maximum Trailing Drawdown would be locked in at your starting balance of $100,000. So, regardless of how high your
account goes, you would only breach this rule if your account drew back down to $100,000 (note, you can still violate
the daily drawdown). For example, if you take your account to $170,000, as long as you do not drawdown more than 5%
in any given day, you would only breach if your account equity reaches $100,000.
In line with sound risk management practices, we require a stop loss on every trade. If you fail to place a stop loss at the
time of placing the trade/order, we will close the trade. This is a only soft breach rule, so you can continue trading in
your account.
We require all trades to be closed by 3:45pm EST on Friday. Any trades left open after this time will automatically be
closed. Note, this is only a soft breach and you will be able to continue trading once the markets reopen.
Forex - 1 lot = $100k notional
● Index - 1 lot = 10 Contracts
● Cryptos - 1 lot = 1 coin
● Stocks - 1 lot = 100 shares
● Silver - 1 lot = 5000 ounces
● Gold - 1 lot = 100 ounces
● Oil - 1 lot = 1000 barrels
Yes. If you do not place a trade at least once every 30 days on your account, we will consider you inactive and your
account will be breached.
General questions
We have risk management software that is synced with the accounts we create. This allows us to analyze your
performance in real time for achievements or rule violations. As such, you must use an account that we provide to you.
All countries, excluding OFAC listed countries, can take part in our program.
You must be at least 18 years of age to purchase an assessment.
Upon purchasing an Assessment, you will receive access to a trader dashboard where you can monitor your Assessment
and Funded accounts. The dashboard is updated every time we calculate metrics, which occurs roughly every 60
seconds. It is your responsibility to monitor your breach levels.
For your trading needs, we proudly offer DxTrade as our dedicated platform. DxTrade is designed to cater to traders of all levels, providing a comprehensive suite of tools and features that enhance your trading experience.
We do not limit the capital that we extend traders.
You can trade any products offered by Dxtrade. This includes FX pairs and CFD Indices, Metals, Equity Shares, and
Cryptocurrencies.
In line with sound risk management practices, we allow up to 10:1 leverage.
Forex, Metals, and Indices are 10:1. Equity Shares are 5:1. Cryptos are 2:1
Trading hours are set by ThinkMarkets. We do not have any control over the trading hours. You can see the trading hours for
each product by right-clicking on any product in the Market Watch window of the MT4 or MT5 platform and selecting
Specifications from the dropdown menu.
Please note that holidays can have an impact on available trading hours.
Additionally, pursuant to the no holding trades over the weekend rule, we close all open trades at 3:45pm EST on
Fridays.
We use the RAW accounts from ThinkMarkets. These accounts have commission charges for Forex and Equity Share CFDs.
The other products do not carry a commission.
Yes, you can trade using an Expert Advisor.
No. trading styles deemed malicious include, but are not limited to:
• Exploiting errors or latency in the pricing and/or platform(s) provided by the Broker
• Utilizing non-public and/or insider information
• Front-running of trades placed elsewhere
• Trading in any way that jeopardizes the relationship Prop Account has with a broker or may result in the canceling of
trades
• Trading in any way that creates regulatory issues for the Broker • Utilizing any third-party strategy, off-the-shelf strategy or one marketed to pass assessment accounts
• Utilizing one strategy to pass an assessment and then utilizing a different strategy in a funded account.
There are a number of companies marketing and selling off-the-shelf EA's aimed at passing Evaluations/Funded
Challenges. This is NOT a representation of a profitable trader and falls under Malicious Practices.
Yes, you can trade during the news.
Charges come across in the name of Dashboardanalytix.com.
When trading a Funded account for our firm, you are treated as an independent contractor. As a result, you are
responsible for any and all taxes on your profit share.
You are also prohibited from using any trading strategy that is expressly prohibited by the Company or the Brokers it uses. Such prohibited trading (“Prohibited Trading”) shall include, but not be limited to:
- Exploiting errors or latency in the pricing and/or platform(s) provided by the Broker
- Utilizing non-public and/or insider information
- Front-running of trades placed elsewhere
- Trading in any way that jeopardizes the relationship that the Company has with a Broker or may result in the canceling of trades
- Trading in any way that creates regulatory issues for the Broker
- Utilizing any third-party strategy, off-the-shelf strategy or one marketed to pass challenge accounts
- Utilizing one strategy to pass an assessment and then utilizing a different strategy in a funded account, as determined by the Company in cooperation with Prop Account, LLC at their discretion
- Holding a Single Share Equity CFD position into an earnings release pertaining to that underlying equity. To avoid being in breach of this rule, you must close all such Single Share Equity CFD positions by 3:50 pm Eastern Time on the day of the release, if an aftermarket release, or on the preceding day, if a before market open release. Violation of this rule will constitute an immediate, hard breach of your account and any gain or loss on said position will be removed from any calculations.
- Entering into an Equity CFD at or near the end of the trading day with intent of profiting from the marketing gap between when the market closes and reopens on the subsequent trading day, as determined by the Company in its sole and absolute discretion.
- Attempting to arbitrage an assessment account with another account with the Company or any third-party company, as determined by the Company in its sole and absolute discretion.
- If the Company detects that your trading constitutes Prohibited Trading, your participation in the program will be terminated and may include forfeiture of any fees paid to the Company. Additionally, and before any Trader shall receive a funded account, the trading activity of the Trader under these Terms and Conditions shall be reviewed by both the Company and the Broker to determine whether such trading activity constitutes Prohibited Trading. In the case of Prohibited Trading, the Trader shall not receive a funded account.
- Additionally, the Company reserves the right to disallow or block any Trader from participating in the program for any reason, in the Company’s sole and absolute discretion.
Affiliates are credited for referrals when a new user to the prop firm creates an account using a link or discount code provided by the Affiliate. Affiliates are not credited for subsequent purchases made by the referred customer and customers cannot be attached to an affiliate after they’ve created an account.
Funded accounts
We work with a company called Deel to issue trader agreements and process withdrawals of gains in your Funded Account. Upon passing your Assessment, you will receive an email from Deel with instructions on how to access and complete your Trader Agreement. Once the agreement is completed and supporting documentation is provided, your Funded Account will be created, funded and issued to you typically within 24-48 business hours.
Once you pass the Assessment, we provide you with a live account, backed by our capital. The capital in your Funded Account is notional and may not match the amount of capital on deposit with the Broker. A Funded Account is notionally funded when actual funds in the account (i.e., the equity in a Funded Account represented by the amount of capital) differs from the nominal account size (i.e., the size of the Funded Account that establishes the initial account value and level of trading). Notional funds are the difference between nominal account size and actual capital in a Funded Account.
Use of notional funding does not change the trading level or that the account may trade in any manner differently than if notional funds were not used. In particular, the same conditions and rules applicable to a soft breach, hard breach, Daily Loss Limit, Max Trailing Drawdown, stop loss and position limits apply.
If you have profits in your Funded account at the time of a hard breach, you will still receive your portion of those
profits.
For example, if you have a $100,000 account and you grow that account to $110,000. Should you then have a hard
breach we would close the account. Of the $10,000 in profits, you would be paid your 75% portion ($7,500).
When you are ready to withdraw your profits, please send an email to our support email with the amount you would like
to withdraw. We will then post your profit share into your Deel account, which you can withdraw via any of the
available methods they offer.
You can withdrawal your profits at any time, once per calendar month. At the time of any withdrawal request, we will
also withdraw our share of the profits made, as well.
Important Note: Once you request a withdrawal, your maximum trailing drawdown will be set at your starting balance.
This means that if you take a full withdrawal of your share of the profits made in your account, it will also serve as a
breach of your account.
No. We operate at an arm's length with the Broker. All market pricing and trade executions are provided by the Broker and are not changed or modified by us. Additionally, we do not mark up transaction costs established by the Broker through adjusting bid-offer spreads, markups/markdowns, commission charges or swaps.
For purposes of managing risk and minimizing transaction costs, we may offset or negate market risk and act as the direct counterparty to certain trades initiated in the Account. Such trades are executed at prices provided by the Broker. This framework is intended to ensure you receive real market execution on your trades, while simultaneously allowing us to manage risk dynamically by routing existing positions or future orders to third parties for execution as we deem appropriate. We believe that such real market execution and dynamic risk management would not be possible or as cost-effective if trades were executed in simulated accounts. Regardless of whether we act as counterparty to your trades, the gain or loss on your Funded Account is not calculated differently. However, when we act as the counterparty to your trades, there is an inherent potential conflict of interest because your trades do not result in net gain or loss to us, as your trades would if we were not the direct counterparty.
We reserve the right to limit the number of open positions you may enter or maintain in the Funded Account at any time, and to revise in response to market conditions the drawdown levels at which trading in the Funded Account will be halted. We or the Broker reserve the right to refuse to accept any order.
The rules for the Funded Account are exactly the same as your Assessment account. However, with a Funded Account, there is no profit target.
Migration to DxTrade
DevExperts – DxTrade, does not allow the use of the platform as DxTrade, they require it to be
branded.
No. Once all trades are closed, we will capture the balance of your account. We will use that
balance to create your new account on DxTrade.
This will not be possible since DxTrade is also a trading platform, just like MT4/MT5.
We are only migrating account that are still active as of the start of the migration.
Yes you will be able to trade on this platform.
At this time, there is not a possibility to provide access to these trading platforms for US
customers.
Yes, the trading platform is available for customers from all countries, excluding OFAC listed
countries
We will complete the migration of all customers currently trading on 8Cap by the end of
February 2024 as this won’t be available anymore. We will provide details on this plan on
February 26 at the latest.
Make sure to copy-paste without spaces either before or after the Dx Username or the
password. You can also log into your portal to validate your credentials
This is almost ready! There is a mobile app by DexExpert and this should be available in the
next two weeks
The commodity and symbols available is slightly different. The main difference is that stocks is
not available to be traded on this platform.
This feature is not currently available but we can confirm that is will be deployed before the
end of March 2024. We will actually be the 1
st in the industry to offer this feature on DxTrade.
This is not available at this time. Trade view chart does not have Pine Script. This is on the roadmap
but this won’t be available for another 6 months